Posted by
Nee on Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:05:14 PM
Another Update...
Brian McGough has his own website. (http://www.broken-skull.com/) I attempted to have a discussion on the "I respond" column of his. It was deleted because I asked a question that I can only asssume was deemded "off topic" by the owner. I asked if he supported Brandon Freidman's statements on a talk show which basically sounded like whining to me. The fact is that Mr. McGough beleives Rush doctored the transcript (I listened to that show live.. That is exactly how it was said!!) so Media Matters has it correct, according to him. He says he was not used and that people from Rush's audience are sending him hate mail. "My readers" know where I stand. Read the quotes below of what Freidman said and tell me what your thoughts are.
Secondly, I also posted here. (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=10833835&postID=2965514505593063805 Those of you who know me, will know which one is me. This was "a challenge" for Rush Fans?!!
My aim was to be objective because essentially, it seemed to me that Mr. McGough was placing blame on Rush because his kind of support was not what "he" wanted to see. Why wasn't Rush talking about the mental health of soldiers, the PTSD, etc...Those who are anti-war and want to believe that Rush is anti-Troop are saying his verbal support is not enough. As if there is a different standard because they don't like how he comes across. In my opinion, Rush is a great advocate and does as much as he can. He is damned if does, damned if he doesn't. As BrianR notes: there will always be the disenchanted servicemembers. My initial thoughts are always to turn it into positive. I don't agree with McGough's interpretation of Rush's words, and nor do I agree with how Votevets is going about trying to garner support for their "mission". I truly believe that they are being used.
If McGough wants to advocate, it shouldn't have anything to do with Rush, that is stupid. Rather put the perspective on the things he wants to change to his congressman. And, one letter isn't going to do it. In business, approach is every- thing. The veterans who are against the war are saying that people putting a Yellow Ribbon on their cars isn't acceptable. Well, who the fukk are they, I ask you? That is all some folks have to offer. Since when do they get to be the judge and jury? Does serving in a combat zone put them above the fray? XXXXX!!! That kind of BS pissses me off. I bust may tail, physically, monetarily and mentally to support the troops, the mission and victory and have three Ribbons on my car. I dare anyone of them to challenge me or what my friends do. Besides running their mouths, what are they actually doing? I want to know. (You see? Isn't it silly to try and Quantify who does what, where, when and how?) The point is that whatever support is offered should be taken, not quantified so that one group can be superior. Man, is it jsut me being hard-headed or what?
Freidman: The problem I have with Rush Limbaugh is that he enables policy makers who have gotten our country into a lot of trouble. We're in a lot of trouble. I mean, we've got some serious problems with Islamic extremism globally, and we can't address those problems correctly --(How can Rush enable policy makers? He is not a lobbyist, he does not go to the Hill to testify and actually he is just a voice...If he has that much infleunce as a private citizen then how do I get some?)
HUMPHRIES: Why?
FRIEDMAN: -- because we're bogged down in another country's religious civil war.
(And then Humphries continues on...and listen to the gist of the statement)
HUMPHRIES: Again, he talked about this Jesse MacBeth the day before, he talked about him on that show, the day of the show, the day after the show. He's explained himself and still you're going to continue, and you support what Harry Reid said, taking this out of context? Come on, Brandon, that's not fair. That's not right. I could take what you said out of context. I mean this guy explained, and explained, and explained, and you're still spreading these lies, saying that he called a soldier a suicide bomber? And what about Tom Harkin? Do you think it was okay for Tom Harkin to accuse Rush Limbaugh to be on drugs?
FRIEDMAN: Yeah, maybe it's not appropriate for the Senate floor, but it's true. (if this kid had a brain he wouold know that Rush is drug-tested all the time by the state of FL. But, naturally his hate and whining come from the fact that there is not a voice for the likes of his group that can be heard because all they do is spew hate.)
UPDATE AND WELL- DESERVED SMACKDOWN!!!!
I have not had the oppportunity to see if HalD ever gave me a link. But I must have missed what was said on Rush's site. Here is what HalD
PROBABLY BASED his lousy shitt statement on, like a typical leftminded SFB. (that would be Shitt-for brains) Here is my smackdown of the asshat named Hal Donahue.~ You lied and you took advantage of Brian McGough's views of the war....I hope you are proud of yourself,you freaking loser! IF this is how you like to use people as props to get your views across,you should be ashamed. Really ashamed. You made him look as dumb as bucket of rocks. How can you honestly think you were doing a service to this veteran?? How? You owe that kid an apology for using him, you assshole. You are lower than low. Just like all of your ilk at the huffpo and Daily Kos.
Here is HalD's puff piece: (Get your barf bucket handy)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue/limbaugh-compares-wounded_b_67028.htmlhttp://www.votevets.org/Here is what Hal considers his f-ing reference point...Olberman, Scarborough, O'Donnell (whom I thought was conservative...)is it any wonder Hal the Sheeple just follows this and thinks himself educated and better than the rest of us who served and/or are civilians (oh, sorry-he calls them mercenary fighters)working to support the mission?
You're nothing but a shitt bird democratic tool and they've got you where they want you.
Hal must have watched the these lovely guys at the ever slanted MSNBC--
RUSH: We have Joe Scarborough of MSNBC, John Roberts of CNN, Willie Geist of MSNBC, somebody else on MSNBC, and Norah O'Donnell all talking -- you know, this poor guy, Brian McGough of VoteVets.org, he's running around saying that I called him a suicide bomber yesterday on this program. And, of course, he says it, there's no questioning it, and here's the montage of the Drive-Bys reacting to it. Sit tight, Dawn. Dawn's about to explode in there. She came in today, "I am never going to watch or listen to Geraldo again after last night, and Alan Colmes." Just chill. Everything's under control here. It's going our way. Here's the montage.
SCARBOROUGH: We're going to hear for the next five days how Rush Limbaugh called this guy a suicide bomber.
ROBERTS: Rush called this guy a suicide bomber
GEIST: He used a metaphor to say he was like a suicide bomber.
OLBERMANN: Comparing that soldier to a suicide bomber.
O'DONNELL: Essentially comparing him to a suicide bomber.
RUSH: All right, anybody care what I actually said about this? Would you like to hear what I actually said? This was Tuesday on the program, and I was talking about the ad that they are running.
RUSH ARCHIVE: You know, this is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever(his supposed anti-war supporters) pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him. They're not hurting me. They're betraying this soldier. Now, unless he actually believes what he's saying, in which case it's just so unfortunate and sad when the truth of what I said is right out there to be learned.
Asshat Hal only used half the quote, no surprise, there. Maybe you should apologize to Brian McGough, hey SFB?
Unless I am dumber than a bucket of rocks, the "metaphor" escaped me as I have read the quote over and over and I did not take away the comparison of HalD and "Suicide Bomber". Read my italics below for the "take on how I read it")
Original piece
Votevets.org is one of the most negative websites I have seen in a long time. Politics are rough enough to put up with, but this site is nothing but a leftist piece pf props, probably funded by the Moveon group. It’s that bad. I got there by following a link that HalD left me for his Huffpo Tripe. I didn't believe what he wrote. So I questioned it.
Woo-hoo! Was I surprised that he raked Rush over the coals with his spew (“Rush made a career of insulting military service from Max Cleland to Jack Murtha to Brian McGough. Limbaugh reached the point where he thinks nothing of insulting any military person who oppose.”) NOT!!
Brian McGough is an Iraqi veteran who is in a new ad put up by Votevets.org. And, somehow, despite the fact that the transcript is available, retorts to Rush in regard to the words ‘phony soldiers’ only. He makes a fool of himself, frankly. Does that mean I don’t respect his service to our Country? Nope. Just means he did not utilize all the information he could have before making himself look stupid. He states in the ad:
"Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony soldier" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."
Rush must have seen the ad and states on his show:
"He discusses his service in Iraq, the wounds he suffered there, and he says to me in this ad, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service." You know, this is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into."
Now, HalD (for delusional) called this statement horrendous! There is nothing horrendous in these words other than Rush alluding to the fact that he believes this vet is being used for their personal agenda. Every soldier knows they should never say or do anything if means they haven’t covered their asss. He did not get the whole quote!! That is as plain as it gets. And, Rush instead of calling Mcgough stupid or foolish, said his fellow vets lied to him to get him to do the ad. Now, in my opinion, that is sticking up for the Veteran and not calling him phony. Brian McGough, Rush Limbaugh did not call you phony and if you or any other persons read the transcript below, to the end, you will see the truth as it stands.
HalD also said that Rush compared McGough to a suicide bomber and I have not found any facts or quotes anywhere to back it up. I asked for them, but we'll see if I don't just get more spew. (Okay...so Rush says they're giving him the lies and he's strapping them to his belt by (believing it,) so who is the comparison for??? Vote vets.org, not Brian MCgough!!! The HalD spin is amazing!!
The facts are the facts and they cannot be changed. TCAaka censoredaka anchorbabyaka anything you can think of to get back on TH, along with mamadummydeus cherry- picked the statement and frankly, I feel the record needs to be straight...They stop their analysis of referral to Macbeth at the statement below "alot of people." Smart people read to the end. Those extreme left trolls do not get it and won't. Yet, I do feel the need to fight on. Mega dittos!!!
The bold Italics are mine.
Here is the Tanscript in its entirety.
Another Mike. This one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Thanks for taking my call.
RUSH: You bet.
CALLER: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am serving in the American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
RUSH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER: I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, what these people don't understand, is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is not possible because of all the stuff that's over there, it would take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so.
RUSH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. The next guy that calls here I'm going to ask them, "What is the imperative of pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out?" I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "When's he going to bring the troops home? Keep the troops safe," whatever. (note he is going to ask the next caller-not referring to the troops like he does not care)
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: It's not possible intellectually to follow these people.
CALLER: No, it's not. And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
CALLER: A lot of people. (join up to go to Iraq)
RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.
CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.
RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. (and though about two minutes has gone by in this exchange with Mike, he continues on to discuss the phony soldiers he discussed in his morning updates)
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
END TRANSCRIPT
Below are some links to more stories….
Pownetwork: Phony Veterans Try to Cash in on VA Benefits
USDOJ: Northwest Crackdown on Fake Veterans in "Operation Stolen Valor"
ABC: Video: Will House Democrats Also Castigate ABC News for This Report on "Phony Heroes" and Jesse Macbeth?
Wall Street Journal: Vietnam Lies; Democrats Would Do Better to Focus on the Future
Sweetness&Light: NY Times Caught Printing Another Phony Story
Radio Equalizer: ABC's 'Phony Vets'
Hot Air: Jesse Macbeth: I Admit It, I'm a Filthy Liar
AirForceTimes.com: Phony Veterans Try to Cash in on VA Benefits